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		<title>By: <![CDATA[Steve]]></title>
		<link>http://www.familymanlibrarian.com/2006/07/25/visibility-of-library-on-organizational-websites/comment-page-1/#comment-1781</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Aug 2006 20:59:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>At first glance it is easy to think that that idea of the centrality to education of a university library is indeed absurd.  Yet the two examples you use to bolster your argument are the very same that bolster my more traditional view of the library&#039;s role:  the online catalog(ing) and availability of journal articles.  Neither of these functions is new at all.  (Well, if you count the advent of online catalogs as new, then the late &#039;60s and early &#039;70s are deemed recent.)

My point is that libraries have long provided these services (and much more) and the only major change in these two in particular that&#039;s occurred because of technology is the way in which these services are delivered or made available.

If you are looking at this from the view of the library as a physical space, then yes, you may have good grounds to argue that the central role for educational purposes isn&#039;t there today (although I would argue against that point of view, too).  In other words, much of the &quot;action&quot; is in e-resources rather than in traditional collections.  This is why I think it is so important for the library to have a highly visible role in any institutional webspace -- because they are now providing virtual services that are, by and large, heavily used.  These include full text databases for journal articles, e-books, and other licensed online content.  The proportion of library materials budgets being spent on these things is growing exponentially and now stands somewhere between 30 and 40% for the large academic and research libraries.  Just because these services are online doesn&#039;t negate the value of the library to education.  In fact, it only serves to reinforce that perspective.

As far as the availability of information on the Internet via search engines like Google, it is true that there is a lot of information out there that is accessible and free.  However the vast majority of educational/scholarly information is absolutely NOT freely available still and is only accessible if a university library has paid for access to that information via a proprietary or vendor-supplied service.  And even though a lot more information is freely available now than in the past to those who know how to navigate the Internet, that doesn&#039;t mean that it is readily findable, organized, relevant, or trustworthy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At first glance it is easy to think that that idea of the centrality to education of a university library is indeed absurd.  Yet the two examples you use to bolster your argument are the very same that bolster my more traditional view of the library&#8217;s role:  the online catalog(ing) and availability of journal articles.  Neither of these functions is new at all.  (Well, if you count the advent of online catalogs as new, then the late &#8217;60s and early &#8217;70s are deemed recent.)</p>
<p>My point is that libraries have long provided these services (and much more) and the only major change in these two in particular that&#8217;s occurred because of technology is the way in which these services are delivered or made available.</p>
<p>If you are looking at this from the view of the library as a physical space, then yes, you may have good grounds to argue that the central role for educational purposes isn&#8217;t there today (although I would argue against that point of view, too).  In other words, much of the &#8220;action&#8221; is in e-resources rather than in traditional collections.  This is why I think it is so important for the library to have a highly visible role in any institutional webspace &#8212; because they are now providing virtual services that are, by and large, heavily used.  These include full text databases for journal articles, e-books, and other licensed online content.  The proportion of library materials budgets being spent on these things is growing exponentially and now stands somewhere between 30 and 40% for the large academic and research libraries.  Just because these services are online doesn&#8217;t negate the value of the library to education.  In fact, it only serves to reinforce that perspective.</p>
<p>As far as the availability of information on the Internet via search engines like Google, it is true that there is a lot of information out there that is accessible and free.  However the vast majority of educational/scholarly information is absolutely NOT freely available still and is only accessible if a university library has paid for access to that information via a proprietary or vendor-supplied service.  And even though a lot more information is freely available now than in the past to those who know how to navigate the Internet, that doesn&#8217;t mean that it is readily findable, organized, relevant, or trustworthy.</p>
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		<title>By: <![CDATA[John]]></title>
		<link>http://www.familymanlibrarian.com/2006/07/25/visibility-of-library-on-organizational-websites/comment-page-1/#comment-1780</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[John]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Aug 2006 20:40:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hate to play devil&#039;s advocate here, but I found the idea that in modern universities that the library has &quot;the de facto role ... as a centerpiece of learning&quot; a little absurd.  The fact of the matter is that the Internet has rendered nearly every traditional educational function of the library obselete.  By far the most important educational services a university library can provide now are those directly related to technology -- the online cataloging and availability of journal articles, and the like.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hate to play devil&#8217;s advocate here, but I found the idea that in modern universities that the library has &#8220;the de facto role &#8230; as a centerpiece of learning&#8221; a little absurd.  The fact of the matter is that the Internet has rendered nearly every traditional educational function of the library obselete.  By far the most important educational services a university library can provide now are those directly related to technology &#8212; the online cataloging and availability of journal articles, and the like.</p>
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		<title>By: <![CDATA[Family Man Librarian &#187; Blog Archive &#187; A mention in the Carnival]]></title>
		<link>http://www.familymanlibrarian.com/2006/07/25/visibility-of-library-on-organizational-websites/comment-page-1/#comment-1779</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Family Man Librarian &#187; Blog Archive &#187; A mention in the Carnival]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Aug 2006 15:47:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] The Carnival of the Infosciences is an informal, weekly roundup of interesting or worthwhile blogs and news items relating to library and information science that is hosted on various library-related blogs, usually a different one each week. I&#8217;ve never participated in this before but I&#8217;ve always read each installment with interest. Much to my surprise, a post I wrote last week about the visibility of the library on institutional web spaces was mentioned in the most recent Carnival issue. Hey, thanks, Mark (Lindner), for the mentio.! This is the library equivalent to being Slashdotted! [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] The Carnival of the Infosciences is an informal, weekly roundup of interesting or worthwhile blogs and news items relating to library and information science that is hosted on various library-related blogs, usually a different one each week. I&#8217;ve never participated in this before but I&#8217;ve always read each installment with interest. Much to my surprise, a post I wrote last week about the visibility of the library on institutional web spaces was mentioned in the most recent Carnival issue. Hey, thanks, Mark (Lindner), for the mentio.! This is the library equivalent to being Slashdotted! [...]</p>
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		<title>By: <![CDATA[Steve]]></title>
		<link>http://www.familymanlibrarian.com/2006/07/25/visibility-of-library-on-organizational-websites/comment-page-1/#comment-1778</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Steve]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Jul 2006 16:58:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the comment, Mark.  In a bit of serendipity, today there is a thread on the Web4Lib discussion list that relates to this very issue and I just finished writing a reply to something Roy Tennant wrote on this topic.

A key point here that sometimes gets missed is how critical and fundamental (mission critical) a library&#039;s website is in this day and age.  Sure, generally circulation and gate counts in academic libraries are going down.  On the other hand, I suspect that unless a library has really messed things up, their website traffic, in contrast, is going way up.  Management in libraries needs to have a clear sense of the website being central to the delivery of library services, not ancillary.  Too many people still think of their library&#039;s website as an add-on. It isn&#039;t.  (Or rather, it shouldn&#039;t be.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the comment, Mark.  In a bit of serendipity, today there is a thread on the Web4Lib discussion list that relates to this very issue and I just finished writing a reply to something Roy Tennant wrote on this topic.</p>
<p>A key point here that sometimes gets missed is how critical and fundamental (mission critical) a library&#8217;s website is in this day and age.  Sure, generally circulation and gate counts in academic libraries are going down.  On the other hand, I suspect that unless a library has really messed things up, their website traffic, in contrast, is going way up.  Management in libraries needs to have a clear sense of the website being central to the delivery of library services, not ancillary.  Too many people still think of their library&#8217;s website as an add-on. It isn&#8217;t.  (Or rather, it shouldn&#8217;t be.)</p>
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		<title>By: <![CDATA[Mark]]></title>
		<link>http://www.familymanlibrarian.com/2006/07/25/visibility-of-library-on-organizational-websites/comment-page-1/#comment-1777</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mark]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Jul 2006 16:07:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for this Steve!  The tone, and I guess the substance as well, of Tom Kirk&#039;s comments bothered me also.  But as one who has only been peripherally involved in this discussion at one institution I had a hard time stating exactly why.  You did a fine job for me.  Thanks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for this Steve!  The tone, and I guess the substance as well, of Tom Kirk&#8217;s comments bothered me also.  But as one who has only been peripherally involved in this discussion at one institution I had a hard time stating exactly why.  You did a fine job for me.  Thanks!</p>
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